Subject:Re: Re: Fwd: construction manual
From:"Richard C. Harrington" <email@example.com>
Date:Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:38:58 -0400
Thanks a bunch for the detailed account. You and Glenn have indeed
embarked upon quite a project. But a wooden Wayfarer is a wonderful
creature and I'm sure you'll enjoy the rewards of your hard work.
Sharing what you have with the rest of us now gives us more incentive to
help out in any way we can.
I'm 'cc-ing' several others this time around. Hans Gottschling and Earl
Schnur have had a lot of experience fixing up old woodies. I believe
that they can be a source of useful information to you. Al Schonborn
manages the Canadian web site and may be able to find you some added
sources as well.
I'm not an expert in the refinishing area. I know nothing about using
Deks Olje. When I redid Blue Mist, though the varnish and paint was
almost falling off, the boat had seen so little use and had been stored
so well that it was in great shape. All that I did was strip off all the
old paint and varnish and sand it down. I then did a 'West System'
inside and out, re varnished and painted her. That was 12 years ago and
for the most part the epoxy is as good today as it was then. I ran into
trouble in a few places where I over did it with the epoxy and it turned
milky on me. You can see an example of that by looking at the photos
(sorry that they are photo copies) that show the two rudder blades side
by side. I had been told by someone that I could get away with putting
on 5 - 6 coats of epoxy--the more the better, ay! That was a mistake.
Three to four coats done carefully is much better. Replacing the
original brass screws is a good idea. I didn't do it but afterward I
wished I had. So far, however, I've haven't seen any indication of
problems with loosening of the bottom. The top sides is where I've had
some problems, as mentioned earlier. Only a couple of weeks ago I
crawled through the hatch up under the foredeck (in three days I'll be
65!) scraped and epoxy filleted all the joints along the gunwale and deck
beams. I think that may save me from having to lift the deck off and re
I have photos of my boat at various stages of completion should you be
interested. A couple of things I did I believe are important
improvements, however, they depart from the original pure wooden boat
construction. I was more interested in having a solid boat than
maintaining the pure Wayfarer construction. When I "West System'ed" the
interior I filleted all the floor beams and stringers. I also filleted
and glassed in the floor beams to keel joints and the whole centerboard
trunk connection to the keel. This means filling in and glassing the
inside of the CB trunk joint as well.
I mention all these thing so that you can be thinking about the whole
project as you progress along. It is really depressing to have a
beautifully finished deck, representing hundreds of hours of work, start
to separate at a joint that looked like it was tight. If the boat hasn't
seen service for a while some of those joints that look tight now may
loosen up later. I my case it probably took 3 - 4 years before problems
began to show up. It has been manageable and I likely would not have
done much different that I did anyway. Please don't think that I'm
trying to discourage you, or show off, or something like that. I'm sure
that you two are going to end up with a fine Wayfarer.
Please take photos as you go along. A future project for the USWA web
site is to start a section just for wooden boat folks. This is an area
of considerable interest amount traditionalists and I'm hoping to
encourage more communication along the lines of just what we are doing
Good luck again----DICK
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:06:12 -0700 "Pamela Allister di Carrari"
> Hello Dick:
> I received the drawings yesterday. So far we have removed the
> varnish from
> the deck and have sanded and bleached some. We have replaced all
> the brass
> screws and some of the tiny nails and now are going to start the
> process. I have not been able to get the Dekswood that I want to
> try, and
> am going to be able to order the Deks Olje #2 by ordering it from
> Marine.(The boat came with three quarts of Deks Olje #1.)
> We are going to have to use marine 3/8 plywood ash to replace the
> boards as we cannot find mahogany. One of the seat braces is in
> place and
> one has been broken off, and we do have the piece of wood which we
> may be
> able to reset.
> The exterior of the hull, we plan to leave until next year now that
> I have
> been able to clean all the oily goop that was on the white paint.
> interior has been varnished or refinished with something or a
> of things and parts of it, the stern ,we have taken down in order to
> refinish. Once I start applying the Deks I think I will be more
> aware of
> what to do with the interior of the hull and when. The seats have
> stripped on one side only by someone else and pose a question as to
> what to
> do with them. There is a chip on the edge of the rudder that will
> have to
> be repaired so make sure it is water resistant.
> I am not sure what was originally used to finish the wood and I
> suspect it
> was Deks. The inside of the ballast (storage area in the stern) is a
> Two weekends ago Glenn and I went to Portland for the basic keel
> certificate course and while wonderful we were exhausted. For two
> in August we are also taking sailing lessons and so I am not sure
> when she
> will get in the water. I am going to start filling tomorrow.
> Given all that I have said, I am open to all your suggestions. I
> for the delay in writing.
> Pamela Allister diCarrari
> 541.902.1967 phone and fax
> P O Box 2764
> Florence, OR 97439
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard C. Harrington" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: <email@example.com>
> Cc: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:12 AM
> Subject: Fw: Re: Fwd: construction manual
> > Pam,
> > Sending photos and drawing today. Still waiting to hear more
> about your
> > project. Please know that we are keenly interested in what you're
> > and that none of our efforts and expenses are reimbursed by the
> > Regards---DICK
> > *********************
> > --------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Richard C. Harrington <email@example.com>
> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Cc: email@example.com
> > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:22:37 -0400
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: construction manual
> > Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > Dear Pamela,
> > I will make you the tracing today and get it into the mail
> tomorrow. The
> > pattern is the same for both sides. I'm also finishing off a roll
> > film from the North American Cruising Rally at Chaumont Bay. I'll
> > taking a bunch of pictures of things on Blue Mist that may be of
> > you. This I'll send out next week. When you get the stuff feel
> free to
> > ask any questions you'd like.
> > For my information please give me a quick rundown of what you have
> > so far with regard to the refurbishment and what you still plan to
> > accomplish. That way I'll have an idea of what additional
> suggestions I
> > might wish to offer.
> > Good luck---DICK - W887, Blue MIst
> > ***********************************
> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:01:55 -0700 "Pamela Allister di Carrari"
> > <email@example.com> writes:
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help. I am wondering if you would be willing to
> > > send me a
> > > paper tracing of your front R and L floorboards. (Not necessary
> > > they are
> > > mirror images) or diagram to scale? Also we do not have the
> > > seat
> > > sections. Do you have any construction directions for those?
> > >
> > > Thank you very much. Do you sail very much?
> > > Pamela Allister diCarrari
> > > 541.902.1967 phone and fax
> > > P O Box 2764
> > > Florence, OR 97439
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard C. Harrington" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > > To: <email@example.com>
> > > Cc: <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>;
> > > <firstname.lastname@example.org>;
> > > <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>;
> > > <email@example.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:01 PM
> > > Subject: Fw: Fwd: construction manual
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Pamela,
> > > >
> > > > Here is something for a start. Let me know more specifically
> > > your
> > > > problems are and I'm sure we can be of help to you.
> > > >
> > > > I am the owner of a 40(+) year old woodie myself---W887, 1964.
> > > have a
> > > > general illustrative construction drawing of the wooden
> > > which
> > > > provides very limited scantlings. It would not be useful as a
> > > > construction document. Regarding construction documents, I
> > > believe it is
> > > > accurate to say that none are available because of the closely
> > > held
> > > > Wayfarer builder licensing by the UK rights owners. However,
> > > Brooks
> > > > whom I've put on the 'cc' here built his own W from a US kit
> > > a
> > > > number of years ago. It's possible that he can assist you
> > > specific
> > > > questions. Likewise, Earl Schnur has built various W
> > > and
> > > > could be a useful source of help.
> > > >
> > > > It is probable that your W was actually built in the UK.
> > > Craft
> > > > built and ship the basic plywood hull, along with all of the
> > > of the
> > > > cutouts/components, leaving the owner to finish the job. This
> > > call a
> > > > kit boat. You can try contacting Keith Proctor, Ian's son,
> > > answers
> > > > to specific items, or try e-mailing Richard Readings, the UK
> > > master.
> > > >
> > > > My approach to getting details would be to find another woodie
> > > from which
> > > > to take off my own patterns. Craig Stebbins in Seattle owns a
> > > woodie and
> > > > I'm certain he would be glad to assist you.
> > > >
> > > > Great to hear from a wooden boat lover.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes and good luck---DICK H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >